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Toll the Bell for the Polls, Part III

Eric Martin  May 9 2008 - 1:41pm   

Well, this is one way to influence the outcome of elections in Iraq I suppose (refer to Part I and Part II for background):

Iraqi security forces, after more than of 40 days of intense fighting, on Thursday told residents to evacuate their homes in the northeast Shiite slum of Sadr City and to move to temporary shelters on two soccer fields.

The military's call indicated the possibility of stepped-up military operations and came as Iraqi security forces raided a radio station run by backers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al Sadr. In the southern port city of Basra, militants launched rockets that struck a coalition base, killing two contractors and injuring four civilians and four coalition soldiers.

Sadr City has been a battleground since late March, enduring U.S. airstrikes, militia snipers and gunbattles between U.S. and Iraqi forces and the Mahdi Army, the militia loyal to Sadr.

Already some 8,500 people have been displaced from the sprawling slum of some 2.5 million people, according to the Iraqi Red Crescent. For weeks, food, water and medical shortages have affected about 150,000 people, aid agencies said.

Two soccer fields in east and northeast Baghdad are expected to receive some 16,000 evacuees from the southeast portion of the city where the fighting has been most intense.

The BBC offers one version of the grisly death toll:

In the last seven weeks around 1,000 people have died, and more than 2,500 others have been injured, most of them civilians.

Back to McClatchy:

In most of Sadr City, people haven't had food rations for more than a month and a half, and the Red Crescent has distributed thousands of food packs, 100 tons of flour and supplied four tons of medical supplies to the two main hospitals.

Wonder if this hospital was on the receiving end of those supplies:

IRAQI soldiers yesterday detained dozens of policemen and closed down a hospital suspected of treating Shiite militiamen in a Baghdad stronghold of cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army.

Or maybe this one?

A major hospital in Baghdad's Sadr City slum was damaged Saturday when an American military strike targeted a militia command center just a few yards away, the U.S. military said. [...]

The rocket strike near Sadr Hospital injured 30 people, shattered the windows of ambulances and sent doctors and hospital staff fleeing the scene, hospital officials said.

So let's recap the scene: the US military and its Iraqi "allies" are laying siege to a sprawling neighborhood in Baghdad housing roughly 2.5 million Iraqis, launching air strikes, artillery attacks, tank shells and other assorted ordnance, shutting down hospitals and bombing others, cutting off the supply of food and walling off entire sectors of the embattled region, causing a refugee crisis by their actions - and now actually pursuing a policy with the intent of creating a larger refugee crisis! 

For what reason: because a majority of residents in these regions support a political movement, and militia, that oppose our presence.  Can't have that.  Because we have to keep 150,000 troops in Iraq to safeguard the Iraqi people.  After all, whose gonna set up the tents in the refugee catch basins we so magnanimously helped set up to receive the overflow from our relentless assault on political movements that would make it harder for us to stay in Iraq.  To safeguard the Iraqi people. 

You write
Paleoprog  May 9 2008 - 5:33pm   

"For what reason: because a majority of residents in these support a political movement, and militia, that oppose our presence."

Actually, it's because Sadr City hosts the remnants of a political movement that tried to cleanse Baghdad of its remaining Sunnis, kidnap and strong arm any dissenting voices in the area under their local control, that did murder journalists like Steven Vincent, tried to effect a coup in the Hawza in Najaf, and increasingly have become the cat's paw of Iran in its goal of making Iraq a vassal state.

PS: How's your imaginary mullah doing in Qom? Does he return your fan mail?


You make little sense...
Eric Martin  May 9 2008 - 9:57pm   

as usual.

So let me get this straight: We support ISCI despite their ethnic cleansing, use of power drills, use of brutal tactics, strong arming of dissent and status as a subsidiary of Iran with a long standing goal of implementing Iran's political agenda in Iraq.

Yet we're slaughtering civilians aligned with Sadr because....well, similar crimes really, though much LESS of a connection to Iran and zero desire to make Iraq a vassal state.

Your ignorance is galling, as usual.  Honestly, do yourself a favor, save yourself the embarrassment of being exposed, and read up on the history of ISCI.  Do you have any idea about what you're talking about?

PS: How's the Hakim clan doing these days? Do you stay in touch?  They must be pleased to have you carrying water for them so zealously.

And where's all your talk about caring for the Iraqi people?  Accusing others of wanting to abandon them when you cheerlead for mass carnage in civilian areas.

Rank hypocrite. 


The lie,
Paleoprog  May 10 2008 - 11:52am   

that is your article of faith, is that there is no moral difference between the violent thugs of the Sadr movement and the elected government of Iraq. I understand why you and the rest of the juice box mafia insist on repeating the fiction. It's not that exciting to deal with the complexities of Iraq if you admit the most anti-American forces are Islamic supremacists who desire civil war. Hence you cling to rumor, half truth and falsehood to claim that Sadr and his minions:

a) represent most Shiites
b) are merely anti-occupation
3) are no better than the government.

But it's a lie. The government did awful things in 2005 and 2006 to Sunnis, in large part because it included the Sadrist movement. Since then it has begun to reform. Last month, and Iraqi army unit rescued a british journalist held hostage by the Sadrists. Maliki has not only sent his army against Iran's proxies in Iraq, he has rejected their aid. The legitimate grand ayatollah of Shiism would not meet with Ahmadinejad when he came to Iraq in April and he is not willing to bring Sadr back as a student to Najaf. None of this is to say that the Badr Corps has no blood on its hands, of course it does. But its political goals, hence the name change to ISCI, are not the imposition of a maximalist Shiite Islamic Republic. The political leadership of ISCI rejects the rule of jurisprudence as does the Hawza in Najaf. Iran and Sadr in many ways are fighting for a state ruled by a guardian council and supreme leader. What's more, Badr is not killing American soldiers.

Anyway this is all a pace with the credulosphere's preferred policies in the last two years. Just in the last six months you have fastened your cause to the treatment of retired senior ba'athists, the Sadr movement and all those Anbaris getting a raw deal from the sheiks who displaced al Qaeda. How very liberal of all of you. What's next for the web neutralists? Maybe you can all rally behind Mugabe. Maybe you could offer your blogging services to Hezbollah in its bid to wreck the Lebanese government. Kim Jong Il is feeling pretty demonized.


Moral cleansing
David Tomlin  May 11 2008 - 3:14am   

If winning seats in the Iraqi parliament washes away sin, the Sadrists can claim that absolution as well.

The parliament did not choose Maliki as PM freely, but under pressure from the U.S. It is fair to say Iraq has an elected parliament, but not an elected government. 


Oh Paleo, you so crazy...
Eric Martin  May 12 2008 - 10:44am   

your article of faith, is that there is no moral difference between the violent thugs of the Sadr movement and the elected government of Iraq

No, my article of faith is that there is not enough a difference to justify slaughtering thousands of Shiite civilians that we are supposedly in Iraq to liberate/protect.

most anti-American forces are Islamic supremacists who desire civil war

Right.  And ISCI and Maliki don't want civil war.  They just want everyone to agree...to their demands.  As for the Islamic supremacist junk, are you talking about the Baathists?  Sigh.

represent most Shiites

Never said that - but that's a habit of yours. You have a hard time debating me, so you invent an adversary closer to your level.

I defy you to find evidence that I said that.  You won't, I know.  The Sadrists are exactly as popular as they are: majority in some regions (say, Sadr city), less so in other areas (Najaf, Basra).  Let them have free and fair elections.  That'll decide relative popularity.  But ISCI is scared of that.

are merely anti-occupation

What does that mean?  Of course they're not merely anti-occupation.  They contain multitudes.

are no better than the government

I cling to the myth that Sadr is no better than the government?  OK.  The Sadrists do more to deliver vital services.  They have a terrible track record in terms of sectarian cleansing, and religious intimidation.  But ISCI has a terrible record as well, and has been able to sit back and let the Sadrists do the dirty work that ISCI wanted done regardless.  ISCI is not worth dying for, nor spending billions a week to defend.

But hey, you love em.

hence the name change to ISCI

Oh dear.  Did you really fall for that gimmick?  That's Chalabi level credulity.  Come on, I want to believe your smarter than that.

What's more, Badr is not killing American soldiers

Right.  Hence the anti-occupation thing.  Read the post.  I discussed this. 

Just in the last six months you have fastened your cause to the treatment of retired senior ba'athists

More paleo straw.  Man, I must really intimidate you for you to feel the need to constantly create a debating partner you feel you can handle.  My discussion of the repeal of de-Baathification has to do with low level Baathists that were purged, and are still purged.

the Sadr movement

No, the innocent civilians in Sadr city and elsewhere that are being killed.  The people you supposedly care so much about.  Millions of them, that you write off as the cost of doing business.  You moral stalwart you.


I do believe it was the
anna missed  May 10 2008 - 12:49am   

I do believe it was the U.S./Maliki/Badr operation Forward Together that initiated the serious ethnic cleansing (of the Sunni insurgency & its supporters) in Baghdad. It was during June and July of 2006 and sectarian violence reached its peak (up25% from previous months) during this time. Afterwards the operation was declared to have been a failure for the escalation in violence, but in many respects it was successful in achieving the desired effect of ethnically cleansing  Baghdad. Of course the JAM was unofficially involved in the process - but has taken the lions share of the blame  for it - but lets not forget who started it. Or likewise lets not assume that the current assault on Sadr City was really started, or has anything to do with these mysterious "special groups". Because the intent is essentially the same.


I wish I weren't surprised.
jhm  May 10 2008 - 8:07am   

Since reading about the current campaign in Sadr City in McClatchy and the BBC (although the status quo ante wasn't markedly better), I've been amazed at how there hasn't been a peep out of the major American "news" networks. Amazed even compensating for my jaded expectations. The big news out of the area was some Iranian weapons (read: out of all the weapons captured, some might have been from Iran)... oh wait, on second thought maybe they weren't Iranian weapons (and if none are Iranian, their origin isn't news), nevermind... look over there though! scary muslims we can mention in the same breath with Iran are shooting in Beirut!

This last point is the lesson to be learned here. Since there was a CNN reporter with a camera in Beirut, it's news; no reporter in Sadr City when all hell breaks lose, not important.


Please post this at Obsidian Wings
Nell  May 10 2008 - 5:07pm   

Eric, I know you're reluctant to cross-post too much, but this is an excellent summary of a huge story being severely under-covered in the news and in the blogs. Presumably, one of the reasons you were invited to join the posters at ObWi is to leaven their almost-total focus on the U.S. elections.


Mr. Malor responds to Mr. Martin
Mr. Forward  May 10 2008 - 9:39pm   

"This is Why the Left Must Lose in November
—Gabriel Malor

I've been taking some flak from commenters for insisting that McCain must win in November. As I've said before, it's not because McCain is going to make a great president or achieve much for Republicans. It's because the alternative is so very much worse.

That's what crossed my mind when I saw the following. What follows is the type of thinking that you will see in the White House should the Democrats win in November. WARNING: it is a concentrated example of the half-truths, distortions, and outright lies that passes for foreign policy discussion on the Left. And if you're anything like me, it's really going to make you mad.

So let's recap the scene: the US military and its Iraqi "allies" are laying siege to a sprawling neighborhood in Baghdad housing roughly 2.5 million Iraqis, launching air strikes, artillery attacks, tank shells and other assorted ordnance, shutting down hospitals and bombing others, cutting off the supply of food and walling off entire sectors of the embattled region, causing a refugee crisis by their actions - and now actually pursuing a policy with the intent of creating a larger refugee crisis!

Witness the liar's casual blend of truth and falsity, used to imply malicious intent that doesn't exist. It's true that U.S. and Iraqi forces are fighting to take and keep control of portions of Sadr City and that one hospital was shut down and another damaged in a bombing. It is also true that the U.S. is building a concrete barrier through the city.

It is absolutely false that the hospital was bombed intentionally--as the liar implies--or that the U.S. has cut off food to the city. In fact, the article he links to (which we will, for now, assume is accurate) notes that the U.S. military is distributing food and medical supplies. This is curiously omitted from the liar's post, given how concerned he is about the residents of Sadr City. According to the article, the Red Crescent estimates that only 6% of the city's population have experienced food, water, or medical shortages during the weeks of fighting. More than that, it also notes that the "refugee crisis" which he blames on the U.S. and Iraqi forces hasn't actually materialized.

It is also manifestly untrue that the intent of the U.S./Iraqi operation is to create a "larger refugee crisis." In fact, the idea is to put an end to mortar and rocket attacks on the Green Zone, U.S. military bases, and civilian areas which are coming out of parts of Sadr City.

Confusion about the difference between purposeful goals and regrettable, unintended, but unavoidable consequences is not unusual on the Left. The twisted morality that disregards intent makes claims of moral equivalence so much easier.

The liar's most pernicious distortion comes next:

For what reason: because a majority of residents in these regions support a political movement, and militia, that oppose our presence. Can't have that. Because we have to keep 150,000 troops in Iraq to safeguard the Iraqi people. After all, whose gonna set up the tents in the refugee catch basins we so magnanimously helped set up to receive the overflow from our relentless assault on political movements that would make it harder for us to stay in Iraq. To safeguard the Iraqi people.

He thinks that the U.S. is targeting Sadr City merely because a "political movement, a militia" that opposes the U.S. hides in its slums. He makes no mention of the roadside, car, and market bombings, and rocket and mortar attacks that the Mahdi Army has committed. He ignores the Mahdi Army's attacks on Sunni mosques and attempts to "cleanse" a portion of the city of Sunni Arabs. Conveniently forgotten is journalist Steven Vincent who was killed almost certainly by members of that "political movement."

This distortion, wherein the Left imputes political animus to the U.S. government, is shameful, dreadful stuff. It is a mild flavor of conspiracy theory. The obvious purpose--American and Iraqi authorities want the Madhi Army to stop killing people--is disregarded in favor of a dubious, but oh-so-satisfyingly nefarious one: the Americans and their Iraqi stooges are "relentlessly attacking political groups." Another Leftist recently in the news, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, would no doubt agree. He's also fond of malicious government conspiracies.

This is the type of person you are inviting to enter the center ring when you say "we can wait 'til 2012." Democratic voters, Democratic thinkers, Obama's staff and advisers--these are the people you are flirting with when you say "McCain will do so much damage to the Republican Party." Consider for a minute how much damage these people will do to the United States.

This is why the Left must lose in November. I'm not asking you to vote for John McCain. I'm asking you to vote against having a Leftist in the White House. "

Gabriel Malor    May 10, 2008

http://ace.mu.nu/


What difference does it make
Dr Rick  May 11 2008 - 11:47am   

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy" -- Mahatma Gandhi

Five years of war has wrought more than 4000 American deaths (closer to 5000 if the deaths of contractors are included), an Iraqi death toll numbered in the hundreds of thousands, Iraqi refugees that can be counted in the millions, and a dollar cost to the United States estimated in the trillions.

And even though the majority of Iraqis consider attacks on American soldiers justified, think that the presence of American soldiers is making the violence worse, and want the American military withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less, there are still some Americans who impute only goodness and idealism when the US bombs and kills innocent Iraqis. With no supporting evidence, they blurt out claims like "It is absolutely false that the hospital was bombed intentionally" even though the US military has issued no such denial, and the head of Baghdad's health department said about the hospital bombing: "They (the Americans) will say it was a weapons cache (they hit) But, in fact they want to destroy the infrastructure of the country."

http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=25706

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r4Eout3OAM 

Just how much more blood and treasure must be spilled for an occupation that is largely opposed by both the occupying and occupied countries?


 


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