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Not Nir Enough

Eric Martin  May 2 2008 - 3:21pm   

If you only read one thing today (not written by me that is, I mean, let's not get carried away people), you should read this piece from Nir Rosen.  I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but it's a long post and he covers a lot of ground.  There is, however, a refreshing display of actual knowledge.  Fancy that.

Memo to media outlets large and small: More Nir Rosen, less Michael O'Hanlon.  Actually, I'd settle for just more Nir Rosen.  I'm not greedy. 

wow
Armchair Generalist  May 5 2008 - 1:57pm   

That's a long article but hell yeah I'll take that over O'Hanlon.

Timendi causa est nescire - Ignorance is the cause of fear.


Great article, but a couple of points
JC  May 5 2008 - 8:00pm   

a.  This Israel sentence:

 

Any actual expert on the region, or any sincere person with even
passing familiarity with it would know that genuine peace has always
been easy to achieve, it requires Israel to abandon all its settlements
and occupied territories, allow for the return of the refugees and
compensate them for their dispossession. It also means granting equal
rights to the Palestinian citizens of Israel. The so called "peace
process," nothing of the sort, is merely a way to enshrine the
dispossession of the Palestinians using unpopular but pliant and hand
chosen collaborators like Mahmud Abbas.

 It seems to me, that there are legitimate Israeli concerns here.  For example, "right of return".  That can be defined in really bad ways.  On the other hand, Israel has taken every opportunity to create a large Israel, by the use of expanding settlements, that of course must then be defended by Israel and it's military.

I have my doubts that, even if Gandhi himself were the leader of the Palestinian people, that Israel would accept Gandhi's offer. 

 That doesn't mean that the current leadership IS Gandhi of course.  But is far from it.

b. The second point - I just don't see why, from any type of resource or political perspective, that the settling of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, would make any difference to the political concerns of the Greater Middle East.  It has always seemed a false flag to me, really.  The questions of political and economic competition, aren't altered much that much for Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, and Iraq - irregardless of a resolution to Palestine.

Thoughts?



 


Points
Haggai  May 5 2008 - 10:10pm   

I don't think there's any doubt that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would have very positive effects in the region at large.  I do agree with your general point about this factor being overstated in many cases--it sure won't solve Iraq's internal problems, or Lebanon's, for that matter--but describing it as a "false flag" is much stronger language than I would use.

As for the other points you raise, while the general idea of the contours of a final agreement being obvious to most good-faith observers is one that I agree with, Rosen's characterization of it (irrespective of his particular preferences for a solution) as something that "has always been easy to achieve" marks him as something other than "an actual expert" on the subject, IMO.  Not that I think this invalidates his views on other matters, but on this particular conflict, I'm not going to be turning to him for any real answers.


Haggai...
Eric Martin  May 6 2008 - 9:53am   

summed it up well.  His comment mirrors my thinking FWIW.


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